Growth
Sep 2025

Conversation optimization, not conversion optimization

For years marketers have been obsessed with conversions, including us. Conversion Rate Optimization became the holy grail. Test a button color, tweak a headline, A/B everything... and watch the needle move by a fraction of a percent. It worked for a while, but let’s be honest, the game has changed.

It still works, especially for brands with large traffic volumes that allow quick tests and statistically significant results. But for websites with less traffic, focusing on core messaging and brand positioning often produces better outcomes.

Conversion optimization feels small, tactical, transactional. It treats people like numbers in a funnel. Yet people do business with people.

Conversation optimization reframes everything. And Xfiner may be the first to push the pedal in this direction.

What is a conversion anyway?

A conversion is a number, a checkbox, a transaction.

A conversation is a human moment. It is confidence, curiosity, and connection. In B2B, luxury, and even industries like solar, conversation is the real growth driver. It opens doors, builds trust, and creates long-term relationships.

Prestige brands are not built on button tests. They are built on conversations that make people feel understood.

Why conversation optimization matters now

The world is shifting. Humans expect dialogue, not static funnels. AI makes conversations even more central, from chat to search. Brands are no longer just optimizing for SEO, they must optimize for AEO... answer engine optimization... and beyond. But even there, human-first comes first.

Optimizing for conversation means asking:

  • How does every scroll, click, and interaction feel like a dialogue?

  • How do we build trust before the sale, and connection after it?

  • How do we design experiences that people want to continue, not abandon?

From CRO to CXO

Conversation optimization can also be seen as CXO... conversation experience optimization.

CRO is small, tactical, short-term.
CXO is big, strategic, emotional, prestige.

CRO is metrics-first.
CXO is human-first, AI-second.

Conversation is the ultimate differentiator.

The opportunity for marketers

As Seth Godin reminds us in This is Marketing, the world has shifted. Today’s buyer expects something completely different than ten years ago. Running the same old playbooks only guarantees diminishing results.

Just like StoryBrand staked the claim on clarity in messaging, you can stake the claim on conversation optimization. Xfiner is among the first to plant this flag... and we invite you to see the shift too, and claim your ground.

Conversion optimization is about tweaking.
Conversation optimization is about transforming.

One is about chasing numbers.
The other is about creating meaning.

That is the difference, and that is the future.

Your brand, your conversation with your clients, for greater impact and a lasting experience.

By Lauri Post, Founder of Xfiner – ex-WordPress practicioner of 10 years, now Webflow Certified Partner. 7x Grow with Google trainer, 11+ international design awards, projects delivered across 29+ countries.

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Hi, I’m Lauri – founder of Xfiner, Webflow Certified Partner, and award-winning designer. For over a decade, I’ve delivered digital experiences in 29+ countries, earned 11+ design awards, and shared my knowledge with thousands through Grow with Google.

After running my first agency and later taking a three-year break from agency life, I realized the same problems kept coming back: delays, uncertainty, and frustrating client experiences.

That’s why I started Xfiner – a safeguarded creative platform built to remove the traditional agency and marketplace pain points. Clients get certainty, speed and quality. For professionals, Xfiner means meaningful projects, fair pay, and freedom from the usual freelance chaos.

I’d be glad to hear about your goals and ideas on our discovery call.